Points of Separation Part 7 : so what now?

We have now reached the end of the series and I simply wanted to walk through it quickly and ask you to answer it for yourself. Remember the question I asked you to keep at the back of your head through the whole series? What does God really want?

Part 1 We looked at how fear was introduced. We see man and woman doing the one thing that God asked them not to, and sin steps in.God banishes man and woman. I don’t know if you have ever been in a relationship(romantic) that fails. The first thing that closes to you is the loss of shared information, the loss of an intimacy that you were privilege to, I suspect that that is what they felt as they were removed from the Garden of Eden. Its like a break up or a divorce. Did God want that?

Part 2 In part 2 we saw God approach Abraham personally. Although that is still amazing, we see God having to approach a single person because the others do not seem very interested in a relationship with Him. Does God want that? We see some distance and some unfamiliarity from Abraham’s side, yet still open to communication from God. Somehow the intimacy that Man longs for that was lost draws Abraham to obey God.

Part 3 Here we saw God come and fetch His people, and develop a relationship with Moses. Through the dealings we see that the people don’t really want to hear God’s voice and choose to have a go between…..The prophet. If you look at the promises God gave Moses just before that, God meant the promises for all and not just a few. People however decided they do not want direct contact with God. Sounds like a lack of trust developed from people towards God (another repercussion of a break up). Did God want that?

Part 4 In par t4 we saw that the decisions people make has an effect in how God relates. If you would accept that God is not this stoic unchangeable list of principles, then you would see that God very much respects people’s decisions, even the one’s that are against Him.This is the stage of the failed relationship where each of the parties learn to respect each other’s boundaries. But I ask you again, Does God want this?

Part 5 Here we see the departure from God’s rule even on a 2nd degree. The people request a king, and God respects their decision and complies. Now people had God as an option. There were now other ways to live. A far cry from the Garden of Eden where God simply walked and talked with Adam and Eve. This is the part of a break up where the one party openly rejects the ways of the other person and they walk free. I ask you again. Does God want this?????

Part 6 Here I simply tied up some loose ends. I did ask you to think along a certain path and I hope you are at least seeing things a bit differently now…

I do however want to point out, that even though in Christ we have no more separation, we somehow have never fully grasped what that meant or means. We still find the church (the universal living body church as in the organic being) largely blind and grasping at straws to try and control people and trying to reduce it all to a bunch of rules. This as you can see is a far cry from what God wants.

So today you see a new type of separation occurring, it is a separation of Christ and principles. We skim over the scriptures and try and take the teachings of Christ and use them separate from the Living Christ.
If I could use an analogy here, its like you have a girlfriend/boyfriend (which ever fits you being a boy or girl respectively) and you have a long distance relationship with them via letters. You spend years apart, but love has kept you through it all. Eventually you get to spend time in person and because you cannot accept the reality of the person you continue to read the letters even while they are there physically. It sounds looney, but that is what we do by separating the person from the principles.

From the broken relationship side of things, once hurt by the “break up” its not so easy to jump back into the saddle of love again. We all know that, we have to deal with the banishment of the intimacy, the distrust we have, the rejection we feel and display. Its all issues that we have that distort our view of God and what He really wants.

To end the series, I ask you to really look at your life and ask yourself, have you accepted that you have the freedom and return to what God originally wanted? And if it is still not clear, please reread the entire series.

I have specifically left some questions unanswered, because we need to use our brains more these days. Also life is meant to be a walk with God, not some set of rules that make it easy for you.

I wish you well and hope you enjoyed this time as did I. A close walk in and with Christ is what I long to see us all in.

thehonestone

Points of Separation Part 6 : Consolidation

I will start today by saying that we have walked through the Old Testament and we have seen that God responds when we make decisions.

Moving and jumping quickly into the New Testament: In Christ there is no separation, but that in itself does not solve the problem we sit with today. Though we may be free and not separated from Christ, we still need to accept and open ourselves to that. So in essence it is not Christ and Christ alone.

It is Christ having closed the gap and us responding by accepting it. First we have to figure out what has been done (which is what the whole points of separation is about) and then realising the greatness of what Jesus really had done by closing the gap and reducing the distance to zero between us and God.

We also have seen in this series, that when we decide on something as humans, it has an effect on how God relates to us, right?

So going to the very beginning again I would like us simply to look at the diagram above. We need to look at eternity as one long line. Our fall in Eden is a dip. The old testament is the dip down and the new testament is the incline back up to the top.

It is not already done for us, the ability exists, but experiencing it depends on our acceptance of what has been done.

At this point let me also make something clear. When someone is sick, it would be wrong to make life decisions while feeling that way, right? Your perception is a bit flawed because you are not at your full senses. It is for this reason that I direct you to the diagram. If we are in the dip, our viewpoint will not be from a position of truth completely, since we are not in our environment that we were meant for. We also read in scripture that in heaven the lion will be at peace with the lamb. That is not currently the case.

Therefore we conclude that the world is affected by our decisions too, and that the way it is now is not the way it was meant to be.

Today I am not going to go into detail, as I will unpack these things next week. I simply wanted to get our eyes on the same things and our brains on the same page.

I welcome questions or comments so please feel free to question me on anything if I am being unclear or vague about.

Until next week…..

thehonestone

Points of Separation Part 5 : The final point

Here we are. At the final point of separation.

Its been a journey and I hope you have seen the scriptures with some new light and now look at God a bit differently than before (I hope sincerely).

Today I would simply like to close off the old testament, then we will basically relook at everything we have walked through from a birds eye view (if you could call it something).

Jumping right into it. You should have read up until part 4 by now (if not, at a later stage I will add the links in this post as I am a bit pressed for time today)

Samuel was what we could call a ruling Prophet. He was the last of the judges that the scriptures speak about. He had the respect of the whole nation of Israel. His sons however, left much to be desired. And the people of Israel gathered around Samuel one day and……1 Samuel vs 5-7 “… Behold, you are old and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now appoint for us a king to judge us like all the nations. But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, ‘Give us a king to judge us.’ And Samuel prayed to the Lord. And the Lord said to Samuel, ‘Obey the voice of the people in all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them.”

Its what I call a second degree of separation. Now we know that the people have already decided that they didn’t want to hear God directly, now its even one step further away. Not just not listening to God about life, they request a human king. This allows for the rule of the land to be stipulated by a law that is not necessarily God’s law. Now there are 2 intermediaries in terms of lawful instruction. In fact now there is one that does not have to listen to God, because the king has a choice to listen to the prophets or not as one will realise if you read scripture further.

Remember my question I asked you to keep in mind when reading all this? What does God really want?

I think its pretty clear that God was hurt in the process hear, since He expresses rejection at their request. But nevertheless, He gives the people what they want.  Words cannot describe the tragedy that happened that day. We have never recovered fully from it. I don’t even think we realise the trouble that caused.

Here is where we will end off the old testament. I want to go on here, but its commentary and not scripture. I want you to see that its all in the scripture first before I explain. And I want you to start analysing this for yourself and maybe question too…..

Next week we start looking at how we got here and begin putting it all in perspective.

Until next week……

thehonestone

Points of Separation Part 4 : answering some questions


Part One : Intro of fear

Part Two : The first steps away

Part Three : The age of the prophet

We find ourselves at a major crossroads now, therefore I thought it would be fitting to simply look back and shine some light on a few important “road signs” if you don’t mind me calling it that.

In the garden of Eden we saw that Adam and Eve decided to disobey God and the result was that they were banished from Eden and also introduced fear to humanity. We then walk through scripture further and see that God still talks with people just not so frequently. If I could use a saying to describe it, its almost like God “backs off” a bit.

By the Moses connection I would like to stop and pause because I think I need to explain a bit here. Firstly, most of us read the Old Testament as a progression from the beginning and think that God slowly reveals more of Himself over time.

I would like you to look at it from a different perspective and consider that the Old Testament is actually consequential (something we decide and there is a consequence to that) and is a description of how God walks in a relationship with people. If you looked at the beginning, God walked and talked with Adam and Eve in the garden.

Now I ask you, when last did you see God, and actually walk and talk with Him?

OK so since I am sure no one can see God and no one can walk with God while seeing Him today we can conclude that after the fall we are not in a progressive environment.

That said, back to Moses. Just before the law was given God spoke to Moses and says to the people of Israel, “if you indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples, for all the earth is mine; and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation”.

And soon after that we read that the people refuse God’s direct voice and prefer an intermediary (Moses a prophet). We then see the role out of the Law and also a priesthood established. I hope you are getting it at this point……..

WHAT HAPPENS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT IS VERY CLOSELY LINKED TO THE CHOICES OF PEOPLE……

Did God force us out of Eden because He wanted to? Did God decide to move away from us on a daily basis? Did God decide to have prophets and relate to people via an intermediary?????

I think at this stage in the bible the average person would find themselves really estranged from a personal relationship with the Lord, given all the hoops one had to jump through simply to be heard. By hoops I mean you had to sacrifice all the animals as a sin offering, work through a priest to hear from God,etc….. It was not a direct connection if you get what I mean. What I am trying to get you to see here, is that it was never God’s desire for that to be that way…..

We have one more stop in the old testament to make, but I leave you to ponder on what I have written about and we will get to the final stop next week.

thehonestone

Points of Separation – Part 3 : The age of the prophet…

We have come to what is most likely the biggest event and what I would call a pivotal point in history. ONE TO WHICH I THINK YOU NEED TO GIVE YOUR FULL ATTENTION TO. I will at this stage ask you to read everything with a specific question in your mind. What does God really want? Keep that in the back of your head till the end of this series, after each post ask yourself that question.

Moses has answered God’s Call (with much protest I might add). He has led the people out of Egypt and is in the process of leading them to the promised land. It was through this journey that the people started looking to Moses for their answers to everyday matters, and we see Moses start to take strain. Jethro, Moses’ father in law sees the situation and in Exodus 18 vs 21-23 he advises Moses to put able men in charge of tens, fifties, hundreds and thousands, in order to spread the burden and load of the concerns of all the people.

Further along when they enter the wilderness of Sinai, Moses goes up to God and God lets Moses know what he should tell the people of Israel. ” You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself. Now therefore, if you indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples, for all the earth is mine; and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words that you shall speak to the people of Israel” Exodus 19 vs 4-6. God then lets Moses know that He will come down on Mount Sinai and speak to the nation of Israel and gives Moses specific instructions to adhere to.

It happens, God in fire and smoke and thunder comes down onto the Mountain and Speaks…..

God proceeds to give Moses the 10 commandments…
“Now when all the people saw the thunder (it says this in scripture so I guess they could see thunder then ha ha ha) and the flashes of lightning and the sound of the trumpet and the mountain smoking, the people were afraid and trembled, and they stood far off and said to Moses, You speak to us, and we will listen; but do not let God speak to us, lest we die.” Now Exodus does not elaborate further therefore I will now jump to Deuteronomy to the same event, but for more detail.

And the Lord responds to Moses, “I have heard the words of this people, which they have spoken to you. They are right in all that they have spoken. Oh that they had such a mind as this always, to fear me and to keep all my commandments, that it might go well with them and with their descendants forever! Go and say to them ‘Return to your tents.’ But you, stand by me, and I will tell you the whole commandment and the statutes and the rules that you shall teach them, that they may do them in the land that I am giving them to possess.” Deuteronomy 5 vs 28-31

Now I know I quoted a lot of scripture here and its from the ESV version, but I really wanted you to see for yourself that all this is in scripture and when I expand you will know that its from scripture that I am pulling this out from.

This is what one could call the inception of the age of the prophets, intermediaries, priests. Take a look earlier where God tells Moses that if the people obey His voice they will all be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. Not even 2 full paragraphs down the people decide not to hear His voice directly and ask Moses to speak on God’s behalf to them and they will obey Moses. So now people have second hand information from God. This is a first where someone speaks on behalf of God, hence “the age of the prophet.”

Before this day, God spoke directly to the person He wanted to connect with, here we see a departure (separation) that only starts moving further away from God, and I would go as far as to say we continue that today as well. 

Next week we find out just how big a leap this was……

THO

Points of Separation – Part 2: The first steps away

In case you never got the first part click here. Although I will try and make each post complete on its own, it is part of an entire series and therefore will make more sense if read as a whole. But enough housekeeping and onto the meat…..

Now even though man has been cast out of Eden. We still see in Genesis 5 vs 24 Enoch walked with God….
But as we read further, man grows increasingly evil and God plans to wipe man out (talk about separation hey). Noah however finds favour and we all know the story of the Ark and so forth and God’s promise never to destroy mankind like this again.

We then see that all the Earth had one language and they attempt to build a city and a tower with its top in heaven (take note that they are trying to reach God via their own means; there is a word for that… It starts with an R….)

God then steps in and confuses the languages of people and it ends up dispersing people all over the face of the earth.

Abram is the next person we will focus on here. God had called Abram out from where he stayed, away from family and everything he knew. And God and Abram (changed to Abraham) must of spent considerable time together, since we see in Gen 18vs17 God questions his wanting to keep some info away from Abraham. We also see later that Abraham negotiates with God to reduce the sentence on Sodom. Now that must surely require a level of influence and relationship must it not?

Up until and including Abraham we can see that God personally pitched up and spoke one on one with people. Also people seemed to be able to be close with God (especially in the case of Enoch).

After Abraham, there is a significant change in the way God communicates with the people He talks to. If you look carefully God mostly appears in visions or dreams from here onward. It will change, but up until another significant point this is the way God seems to want to communicate.

Isaac is born and we follow the story with Jacob (who later becomes Israel) and Esau (who in Jewish culture later becomes quite a hated name). The 12 sons of Israel (Jacob) with Joseph in the mix. Joseph going on to lead the Egypt nation. There is so much that I am simply skimming over here. But sticking to the point, we notice that God does not have one on ones except with Jacob and through this ends up renaming Jacob to Israel. It seems this is a trend with the Old Testament so far hey, chat to God and your name will change. In Jewish terms your name defined you, so i guess when God changed the names he was redefining who they were…….

In walks Moses……..

Points Of Separation – Part one: The Introduction of Fear

I will title this part: The Introduction of Fear….

When wanting to find out what something is about, anything at all, its best to go to the beginning. If you want to know what a company is all about, you read the founding statement and you will find the original intention of that particular company. Its not always in a name. I mean, look at the company Apple. If you simply drew a conclusion on the name you would most likely think it was to do with fruit. Well, we all know that it is a computer company, right?

To understand where we find ourselves as humans in today’s world, it only makes sense to go to the beginning and see what the original intention behind us being here is. Without that we really cannot function here or move forward since we find ourselves without a purpose or a reason to be. Hence, I will point us to scripture so that we can take a closer look into the past and see what the beginning really looks like. This will take a lot more than one post to get through, therefore put on your seat belts, open the sun roof, put cruise control on and lets go…….

In the beginning God created the heavens and earth……then Man… And God gives Man dominion on earth just like He has in Heaven (Genesis 1 vs28-30). Notice God gives Man dominion over all living creatures and all plants, therefore they are Man’s subjects (as in subjected to man). Keep this in mind, God does not say that man will have dominion over other men. Remember that, at a much later stage I will refer to that in later posts.

Man goes about his business and realises he needs someone that is like him and to cut a long story short, God creates woman. Man is through the moon (if he knew what the moon was at this stage… mmmmm I wonder). He is so happy he gives her his name “Woman,” meaning that she came out of him. On a side note this is an ancient Jewish custom, in that when you name someone you make them subject to you (less than you). Hence, when you give them your name they are made equal to you. Think about this later in scripture where we see the Lord saying “and the people who are called by My Name…..” Think about the implications of that statement now.

Genesis 2 vs 25. “And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.”

To summarize here. God has created earth with creatures plants and fish in the ocean, etc. He then creates man and woman to rule and work it together.

Genesis 2 vs 16 was the only command that God had given man at this stage. And this was simply that he could eat of every tree of the garden except the tree of good and evil.

We know how the story goes here. The serpent convinces the woman to eat the fruit of the tree of good and evil and the woman convinces man to eat of it too.

Immediately we read in Genesis 3 vs 8 -9 that they hide themselves from God because they are AFRAID. And here we have our first point of separation.

Repercussions of this that we see after the fall: The Woman is named Eve, by Adam. As explained earlier, this has a significant impact on the relationship between man and woman. Eve as God stated in His judgment earlier declares that her “desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you”. To break that down further you need to realise that until this stage there was no authority given to man over woman. Here is where that is introduced. Granted, later on I think they take it too far, but here is a distinct separation that occurs between man and woman. Adam names her Eve…. Also note that Adam is now called Adam. First time that is expressed…..

Fear steps in. Something which never existed in man and woman. Since now they are afraid of God.

But most importantly, they are barred from Eden. Eden means paradise, delight and get this, it also means pleasure. God created man and woman for the Eden, in other words God creates mankind for His pleasure…..but thats a story for another day.

But getting back to the point. Point of separation number one, man and woman are removed from a non fearful environment, of walking with God unhindered with any question to motives on God’s part. After the fall that is not the case as both man and woman hide from God afraid. And if that was not bad enough, what I think is worse at this point is that they were not sure what God’s response to them would be, hence they hid….

And we have been hiding ever since haven’t we. Take a look around you. True intimacy does not abound among us does it? Honesty is not how I would term our current culture today. We worry all the time, we question everyone’s motives towards us. We think about ourselves all the time and how to protect ourselves. So I hope you get the reason why I start at the beginning…..

Here is where I will end off for today. Hope you join me in part two, three, four, into infinity and beyond……………

THO